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Dry Martinis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:15:00 -
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I don't care for goons, but it sickens me to see 10k ignored. Especially when that 10k is most of CCP's business. You guys can hit the goons with at the sarcastic and "moar tears" comments that you like, but they keep eve interesting and keep stuff going. If they all left today eve would not be half as engaging. Keep acting like CCP can afford to lose the pirates/griefers and scammers of eve. When the game shuts down cause ccp can't pay the bills, then you can go play wow or rift I guess. Unless you really think dust is gonna save the day........................... |
Dry Martinis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:52:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote:quote=Dry Martinis]I don't care for goons, but it sickens me to see 10k ignored. Especially when that 10k is most of CCP's business. You guys can hit the goons with at the sarcastic and "moar tears" comments that you like, but they keep eve interesting and keep stuff going. If they all left today eve would not be half as engaging .....
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I was being a bit too general and I apologize.-á I don't associate pirates with goons at all.-á I do however associates griefers and scammers with them as they do fit that mold a bit.-á Of course all pirates and goons don't go hand and hand.-á But my comment was about the bigger picture and what is looking to be the future of eve.-á
Take your comment for example about banning anyone who participates in the burn jita campaign.-á That is not the future of eve that I want and I hope that you are not considering yourself a pirate with that kind of mindset.-á Eve is tough, it is a living breathing world with content that is created by the players.-á Most of us don't give a crap about the eve lore.-á (Though some do) But I bet a good amount of us read about the BOB wars and the wars of the old south.-á This is player generated content.-á Goons burning Jita is player generated content.-á CVA turning provi into their own version of camelot is generated contect. Even the forming of the CSM.-á This is what makes eve grand.-á
We are all apart of the "story" of eve.-á So anytime CCP butts in and takes us out of that story and removes our choice, then it pisses people off and rightfully so. I'm a roleplayer by no means btw.-á CCP's storytelling and content doesn't make eve sucessful.-á Looking at mining/missions and incursions for example.-á They are all boring.-á The players make it sucessful.-á If I want a deep story from a developer, then there are much better games on the market.-á I want to do what I want in this sandbox.-á
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Back on topic. Sure Mittens did something wrong. Make him step down.-á Hold a re-vote and do not allow him to participate.-á Let the 10k voters pick who they want.-á You may think its silly, but in a game that usually garners 30-40k ppl max, 10k is a pretty big bloc.-á You don't give that 10k their voting rights, then I shudder to see the hell they unleash next year coming voting season.-á
To add insult to injury you take someone who barely made the CSM as it is and let them be voted to Chairman.-á Chairman holds no special power, but it would of been far less of an outcry if they gave it to the 2nd highest candidate.-á
TL:DR
10,000 is a lot of people and they should be able to choose the person they want.-á Re-vote. |
Dry Martinis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:01:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote:You said:
Take your comment for example about banning anyone who participates in the burn jita campaign. That is not the future of eve that I want and I hope that you are not considering yourself a pirate with that kind of mindset.
and I say if the "Burn Jita" campaign is in response to what happened to Mittens then I say "YES" ban anyone who participates as it could be interperted as a support for violating EULA/TOS.
There is no need for a re-vote as the votes were cast for Mittani and he would have been on the CSM7 if it weren't for his violating EULA/TOS. Contrary to popular opinion there is such a thing as accountability for those who violate rules regardless of tenure or position.
I fully support CCP's action and thank them for doing what might cost them a few accounts. So in return I renewed two of my accounts the other night when I read what happened. (have been away on vacation for a couple weeks.) I will probably open two more NEW accounts in support.
CCP's not ignoring the votes. The votes were thrown out in the wash because of the actions of one person, Mittani, no one else. CCP simply enforced EULA/TOS and the one deserving the bad karma finally got it. Wish more people would get the karma they so deserve in game and real life.
EVE is a harsh world, no doubt. But just because it's a sandbox game built around the brutality of living in space doesn't give anyone a right to be an complete arse to people in real life. We've seen too much of it and people are tired of it.
Play your game, but lines are drawn when it comes to RL attacks. I commend CCP for taking appropriate action even though they know it might effect their bottom line to some degree.
I agree he should of been removed but should of been a revote. Also if you are suicidal then get help don't cry in a videogame. Eve, hell, the Internet is a mean place. I don't trash talk and I've been trash talked. It's online, it's a videogame. Grow a pair man up, and learn to deal with jerk offs online. Disney has a game called toon town that may better fit your self esteem.
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Dry Martinis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:25:00 -
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Nymph Purchasing wrote:While I think this was a reasonable way to apply rules to a situation that no rule quite fits I think everyone having this debate is missing one very important point.
We are playing in CCP's sandbox. CSM exists at their discretion. We have no divind right to such direct player represntation at CCP. It might be best to accept the *generous* gift they give us and accept that CCP makes the rules, makes it exist, and can make it cease to exist.
That's cool an all but we pay the electric bill. We pay for servers to be hosted and when you have a game with 40k players tops, then you better realize it and not **** off 10k of them. Ccp exists at our discretion, don't forget it |
Dry Martinis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.06 06:06:00 -
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Nymph Purchasing wrote:Dry Martinis wrote:Nymph Purchasing wrote:While I think this was a reasonable way to apply rules to a situation that no rule quite fits I think everyone having this debate is missing one very important point.
We are playing in CCP's sandbox. CSM exists at their discretion. We have no divind right to such direct player represntation at CCP. It might be best to accept the *generous* gift they give us and accept that CCP makes the rules, makes it exist, and can make it cease to exist. That's cool an all but we pay the electric bill. We pay for servers to be hosted and when you have a game with 40k players tops, then you better realize it and not **** off 10k of them. Ccp exists at our discretion, don't forget it 40K at one time. 300k+ total. The same could be said for any company that produces anything. Most companies do not have so formal an organization as CSM. This includes companies with both much larger and much smaller customer bases.
Yea, and how many of total are active subs. The activity number never really reaches a new peak at any points. I'd say 50-60k active max. It's whatever at this point though. Cheers. |
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